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Ron Paul Revolution in the Heart of Dixie

August 18th, 2007 by Steve

Sorry it’s long, but here are my personal on-the-scene observations of the day that Ron Paul supporters overwhelmed the GOP machine and totally dominated the Alabama GOP Straw Poll.

The Caravan

For me, the day started around 6:30AM, when I woke up to find another couple dozen e-mails from various Ron Paul Meet-Up groups, as well as libertarian and conservative e-mail lists reminding me about the Alabama GOP Straw Poll to be held today.

I’d set my clock a bit earlier the night before, as right before I went to bed, there were a couple of e-mail alerts stating that CBS News was going to film us at our Birmingham area caravan rally point.

The drive towards Birmingham was relatively uneventful, except that I passed a small caravan of Ron Paul supporters, presumably driving from Athens or Huntsville. It was hard to tell where they came from based on their vehicle tags, as they represented a lot of north Alabama counties. Of course, I honked and gave them a thumbs up; they honked and waved in return.

When I arrived at the rally point, there were probably around 20 Paul supporters and one news camera there. The cameraman was interviewing Carol Hagan, an old friend of mine. I waited until he was finished and went over and gave Carol a big hug ol’ hug. BTW, CBS News didn’t show, but ABC and NBC did.

There were probably about thirty people there by then. I ran into a lot of old friends, both from the movement and campaign to fight Governor Riley’s tax plan. I also met a lot of new and wonderful people from all walks of life.

I was starting to worry that thirty people might not be enough to compete effectively in the straw poll, but fortunately more and more people started pouring in. Everyone decorated their cars; pins and signs and such were distributed and folks seemed to be having a good time.

By folks I mean all sorts of folks from all walks of life, but I’ll get to them later. There were also all sorts of cars: An old van carrying a trailer full of signs, a fairly new BMW, an oversized pickup, a caddy (or Lincoln, not sure on this one), a motorcycle, Kias and Toyotas, old trucks and new trucks, a small foreign convertible, me in a red Mustang convertible.

One of the cameramen commented, “This is it?”

I knew that the 60 or so people assembled there would be enough to probably win the straw poll, but I kept my mouth shut for the moment.

About this time, former Libertarian Party of Alabama Chair Mark Bodenhausen provided me with a walkie-talkie for medical emergencies, traffic control, etc.

One of the cameramen appeared to be leaving, and the other wanted some footage of us leaving as a caravan. We lined up and honked while waving signs as we left the parking lot and headed for Tuscaloosa.

Prelude to the Straw Poll

Once we got to Tuscaloosa, our group created a long line at the check-in desk. In order to vote in the poll, you either had to have a paid-in-advance $25 ticket or pay $35 at the door. They checked for a state-issued photo ID to ensure that each voter was a state citizen and old enough to vote by Election Day. I’m not sure if the age rule pertained to the primary or general election, though.

Once things were orderly enough, I did a quick informal head count and figured there were indications (t-shirts, buttons, campaign signs) that around eighty of the people there were Paul supporters. Based on their attire or some tidbit of personal knowledge, there were around twenty people I could tell supported other campaigns. There were another hundred or so people in the auditorium for whom I couldn’t initially gauge support — but assuming that this was a Republican assembly, I guessed this support would be relatively evenly split between the candidates.

I was talking with my friend Dr. Jimmy Blake and we were doing the same mental calculations. We both agreed, at this point, that we might do more than just win the straw poll, but take over 50 percent of the vote.

Jimmy and I have a lot in common. Both of us have jumped back and forth between the GOP and the LP. Jimmy and I have both chaired the Libertarian Party of Alabama. We’ve both supported and worked on GOP and Libertarian campaigns. Our differences are that he’s run for and served in public office and I won’t do that. He’s a medical doctor; I married one. In other words, he’s more of a glutton for punishment than I am. I did learn that Jimmy was at the Libertarian National Convention that nominated Ron Paul as their presidential candidate, though. I was a Republican at that time.

While Jimmy and I were talking, we realized that the Auburn crew of libertarian Ron Paul supporters wasn’t there yet. We both tried to call them, but were interrupted by media questions, shaking hands with old friends and VIPs and walkie-talkie calls (Jimmy had one by then, too).

More and more people kept trickling in, and a handful had left by then. I counted 227 people at this time. But I noticed something. The tricklers were overwhelmingly Paul supporters, mostly sporting Ron Paul T-shirts or carrying homemade signs.

I was talking with Shana Kluck, who was handling the prepaid tickets (these were paid by an anonymous donor, and not by the campaign) for people who couldn’t afford tickets. At this point, I’ll say that I provided gas money for one supporter and found out too late that one supporter couldn’t make it because she didn’t have enough gas money. Shana was running out of prepaid tickets because so many people were showing. I chipped in enough for ten more tickets, and I found out later that Jimmy Blake had already done the same.

If anyone was the hero of the event, it was Shana. She organized the tickets, contact information, Meet-Up groups, etc. in order to make this a spectacular event. I found out later that Shana is originally from Ron Paul’s congressional district. I’ve got family in Katy, TX and worked a campaign in the area, so I knew her home political turf — but we were both too busy to talk for long.

Finally I saw the first of the Auburn supporters, Mark Thornton. He’s a former Auburn economics professor who is now working at the Mises Institute. Like Jimmy and me, he’s also chaired the Libertarian Party of Alabama before. Mark also served as an economic adviser to Governor Fob James.

Following Mark were around ten or so Paul supporters from Auburn, most of whom I knew from lectures and other activities with which I’ve been involved on campus. We joked a bit about how unsafe it might be for them in Tuscaloosa (for those readers from out-of-state, it’s an intensive football rivalry thing). The event was held in a conference center named after Bear Bryant, BTW.

I ran into James Hines, another former LPA Chair. He’s writing a book on the Second Amendment right now.

The Event

At this point, unless the rumored busfull or two of Thompson supporters arrived, we had this one in the bag. They never showed and and I never learned the source of the rumor.

All of this time, there were speakers for candidates and campaign videos on the screen. I hear that Duncan Hunter called in to address the audience. While I caught an occasional screen clip, I was usually too busy to pay much attention to the stage. Occasionally I’d hear a groan or polite, but not enthusiastic, applause from the audience. None of the presidential candidates or key out-of-state staffers or supporters showed up, so the playing field was indeed level.

Jimmy introduced me to John Killian, a local minister who would be speaking for Ron Paul. Unlike my reaction to many Baptist preachers (I grew up in the Church of Christ, but left it years ago because of their dogmatic beliefs), I instantly took a liking to him. He was intelligent, open minded and knew a lot about politics. I found out later that he knew who I was, as he used to read me at HammerOfTruth. I knew there was some reason I liked him.

We broke for lunch and I sat down with Jimmy and John, but was interrupted by cell phone calls — mostly from people wanting to know what was going on in Alabama. I called Dave Weigel of Reason to give him a head’s up that it looked like we had a sure win here.

I talked with as many Paul supporters as I could during the lunch break. There were people there of every description: A medical doctor, a guy wearing a peace sign necklace, an attorney, a girl in hippy attire, four or five political consultant types, a couple of John Birchers, a homeschooling mom, a homeshooling grandparent, a writer, a 9/11 Truther, an economics professor, dozens of people you probably wouldn’t pay attention to if you passed them on the street, a stay-at-home mom, a retired teacher, a few dozen fairly typical college students (most of whom I already knew), a handful of older people who voted for Goldwater, a few people who will cast their first presidential primary vote for Ron Paul, people with piercings and tattoos, people who looked like they were once Homecoming Queens or Kings, people I knew from the Riley tax campaign, people I knew from Birmingham City Council and mayoral campaigns, Fair Taxers, Flat Taxers, no taxers, anarchists, Republicans, Libertarians, independents, at least one Democrat, a Baptist preacher, an atheist.

A lot of people brought their children. Even the youngest ones were well behaved.

I noted that a lot of people who previously weren’t wearing Ron Paul apparel had stopped over to one of the Paul for President tables and were now wearing Ron Paul buttons (or in a couple of cases, bumper stickers).

Finally, John Killian spoke for Ron Paul. It was such a great speech that I’ll not describe it much, but wait for the YouTube to be posted. The words were pretty good, but the delivery was incredible, which is why the YouTube will be required (hope the sound comes out good) to envision it. In the meantime, it was a better delivery than I’ve heard from any presidential candidate since Reagan. It was fiery and animated, as one might expect from a Baptist minister, but not full of fire-and-brimstone. It was so good that this writer, who hasn’t stepped foot in a church for years, is considering going to listen to one of his sermons. Think of Patrick Henry saying “Give me liberty, or give me death” to get a temporary picture.

The audience went absolutely wild!

Even some Romney supporters were moved.

Actually, it didn’t look so much like a state GOP Straw Poll, but a Ron Paul rally. A Ron Paul rally with a handful of Romney supporters sitting in the back of the room, as though they weren’t full-scale members of the club whose meeting they had just crashed.

Anytime the neutral announcer mentioned Ron Paul’s name, the crowd went wild.

There were a few more speakers, who may have even delivered great speeches, but it was all anticlimactic. I’m not sure if anyone will remember what any of them said.

Local businessman (and pain-in-Gov. Riley’s-side) Stan Pate arrived for a few minutes and Jimmy and I walked him around to ensure that he was introduced to the people he should meet.

We ensured that we had a Paul supporter (who is an attorney) to help watch the vote count.

I ran into a reporter from a local paper in the hallway. Someone asked him what he thought about all of this Ron Paul support. All he could manage to say was, “Wow!”

I congratulated John Killian for his speech. He actually apologized and said that it should have been better prepared. I learned later that George Oldroyd wrote a few paragraphs that Killian used, then he ad-libbed the rest of the speech.

Vote Totals

As they took the two big metal boxes (no Diebolds, here) which held the votes back to be counted, I ensured that our attorney was there to watch the count. Then I milled around a bit and noticed that a lot of the Ron Paul supporters were leaving. I asked one older gentleman (don’t know who he supported, but he wasn’t wearing any Ron Paul gear) why he wasn’t sticking around for the announcement of vote totals. His reply: “It’s a foregone conclusion.”

I was born in 1962. In my earliest football memories, an Alabama victory was considered a foregone conclusion. I’m sure many of you remember some of the names from that general era: Bear Bryant, Joe Namath, Bart Starr, Johnny Musso. That Ron Paul would win the Straw Poll had been a foregone conclusion for some time. It was now a foregone conclusion that Paul would take over fifty percent of the total vote.

My family moved to Nebraska when I was in High School. Aside from the years when the Nebraska Cornhuskers and the Crimson Tide traded off national championships, it was easy to support both powerhouse teams. The one thing of which Nebraska was often accused was running up the score. Jimmy Blake and I were concerned that perhaps we ran up the score a bit too much with the Alabama GOP Straw Poll.

Finally, they walked out with the votes. I managed to snap a photo (the one at used in this article) of the results. I called Dave Weigel and left him a short message with the Ron Paul totals.

They announced the vote totals.

Sam Brownback with 2 votes.

Giuliani with 7 votes.

Huckabee 6.

Hunter 10.

McCain 2. [I remember hearing chuckling at this point]

We’ll skip this candidate for a minute. (Obviously, we all knew who and why).

Romney 14.

Tancredo 0.

Thompson 9.

Ron Paul with 216 votes.

There is no other way to describe it but to say that everyone went apeshit crazy!

Afterwards

The West Alabama Republican Assembly was kind enough to let us take the stage. Jimmy acted as the impromtu MC. He thanked everyone, but reserved special thanks for John Killian for the speech and Shana Kluck for her superb organizational skills.

While this was going on, Chris Brunner posted the victory at LewRockwell.com and I spoke with Dave Weigel to get the word to the Reason crowd.

Shana took the stage and thanked Meetup coordinators and others. She did very well on stage; afterwards I learned it was her first political speaking engagement.

We held a short organizational meeting and went our separate ways, each of us knowing that played some role in this most extraordinary event.

With respect to running up the score, I’m not worried about it. For Alabamians, it was important that we beat the Riley’s tax plan. For the rest of the nation, it was important that we beat it soundly enough that raising taxes in the name of Jesus didn’t become a rallying cry around the country. While certain people are still trying this abysmal tactic, our two-to-one defeat of the tax increase has clearly saved other states from the fate we almost faced.

Likewise, the victory today was important in other states. Our decisive win illustrates that we aren’t a handful of pimple-faced teenagers spamming online polls from our parents’ basements. This was reality and people drove hours and hours while spending hundreds of dollars to give their team a win.

Iowa showed we could compete. Illinois showed momentum. Alabama showed we can win. It also showed that we can dominate — if we put our minds, our wallets and our backs into it.

To the best of my knowledge, the presidential campaign didn’t financially promote or support this event. To be sure, there were probably very minor shipping costs to get the campaign video to Tuscaloosa, a few telephone expenses. They may have even shipped a few bucks worth of buttons or literature or something.

The signs were locally printed or hand made. The buttons were purchased, some probably from the campaign; many were unofficial, though. Grassroots volunteers made it all happen.

I was told by various sources that 160, 164 or 168 people who had committed to this event through MeetUp showed up. To be sure, they made for a very significant grassroots victory. Even without them, Ron Paul could have received around 50 percent of the total votes cast.

I’ll probably never know, but I expect that the sheer numbers and enthusiasm of the Paul supporters swayed a few uncommitted attendees. Killian’s speech may have moved a few more. Supporters talking to undecided people probably convinced a few more.

One person told me that he hadn’t seen anything like in Alabama this since George Wallace. Several of the old-timers brought up Barry Goldwater.

No matter how many of his supporters admire, respect or adore him, this wasn’t about Ron Paul. At this point, Ron Paul is the face of the movement and his political accomplishments combined with his consistent conservative/libertarian track record have more than earned him this spot.

However, this is about a movement. A movement of an eclectic bunch of people who are very serious about freedom. This is the first time I’ve seen these groups of people work so well together to produce a tangible political result.

As the old-timers and political consultant types discussed the issue, there seemed to be almost universal agreement: No matter how Ron Paul does in the presidential election, there is a new movement afoot. Like the Goldwater era, this movement alone can transform the entire political landscape for an entire generation, or even more.

Posted in Articles, It's a Southern Thang, Alabama Politics, National Politics, Libertarian Movement

34 Responses to “Ron Paul Revolution in the Heart of Dixie”

Flashpoint wrote on 08/18/07 at 11:36 pm :

[…] at Gordon Unleashed. By Brian, August 18, 2007, 9:36 […]
NH wrote on 08/18/07 at 11:55 pm :

This sounds familiar to what happened in NH today…
Paul takes it with 208 out of 288 voters.
Steve wrote on 08/19/07 at 12:46 am :

NH, I caught that as soon as I got back home and fired up the laptop. Congrats!
Shana wrote on 08/19/07 at 1:00 am :

hmm… I found a new blog to read.

Today was a great success and you had big hand in that, Steve. Thanks for all you did.
See you soon.
Wes Benedict wrote on 08/19/07 at 1:51 am :

Roll Ron Paul Roll!
Scott wrote on 08/19/07 at 3:34 am :

Is there any video of the endorsement speech Killian made?
Anonymous wrote on 08/19/07 at 4:10 am :

The other day I bought some items in the local deli. The cashier said a total & I thought for a second then said, ” That can’t be right.” Steve, you are a politico & crunch a lot of numbers. All of them look reasonable except the 216. I have my ideas, but will you please tell your readers what is going on? Put some people at the bottom of the heap without hope for years & give them some laptops & phones & signs & bumper stickers & viola! What, Steve? You don’t need me to tell you. Do you?
Robert Milnes wrote on 08/19/07 at 4:22 am :

Sorry, didn’t post my name.
Suzan Robertson wrote on 08/19/07 at 8:30 am :

Thanks for the info. How exciting! Congrats!
John Doe wrote on 08/19/07 at 11:43 am :

>>We ensured that we had a Paul supporter (who is an attorney) to help watch the vote count.

That was the most important thing you did for this victory. And future primary votes are now to the point where the ONLY determining factor is whether there is an honest vote count or whether hacked Diebold machines count the votes.

Instead of another YouTube video of Ron Paul supporters dominating or Ron Paul speaking on the issues, I’d like to see a video of humans doing a vote count. It will show how easy it is to do and is a marked contrast to the videos of Ron Paul supporters trying to get into the back rooms where the Iowa Straw Poll votes were “counted”.

Ron Paul has the votes. Now we just have to make sure the votes are counted honestly.
wsc321 wrote on 08/19/07 at 11:59 am :

Thanks for the info! I wonder if it would be worth it to keep track of how Ron Paul scores in Straw Polls relative to whether or not Diebold machines are used?
Robert Milnes wrote on 08/19/07 at 12:10 pm :

John Doe, I’m not alleging a dishonest or incorrect vote count. I’m asking people to look at reality. We know from The Libertarian Vote study by the Cato Institute that the outside maximum libertarian vote-the Gallup governance survey-is consistently about 20%. We also know Ron Paul-clearly the only “libertarian” GOP candidate- is consistently polling nationally at about 2%. The actual libertarian party vote at election is consistently about .5%. So what is going on with this 216? A “revolution”? Nobody seems to be listening to me. So I’m asking Steve.
Aussielady wrote on 08/19/07 at 12:23 pm :

I have to say that was the most exciting event that I have ever attended! I was very excited to see the young people there and have the chance to speak with them. My impression is that the younger generation feel (like most of us) that there is FINALLY someone that the PEOPLE can get behind! The kid on the bagpipe was AWESOME!!!!
Time to get geared up for the Jefferson Country Straw Poll. The other campaigns were caught off guard, but I think they will be better prepared next time.

Hats off to all of you! You did a stupendous job! What a great Birthday Present for Ron Paul!
GordonUnleashed » Blog Archive » Alabama Ron Paul Victory YouTubed wrote on 08/19/07 at 12:49 pm :

[…] some video of the Alabama Ron Paul victory yesterday. At the Bessemer Cracker Barrel staging […]
LittleJim wrote on 08/19/07 at 1:04 pm :

Placing the mentally deranged Unibomber-looking Robert Milnes on iggy because he’d be hard pressed to find 2.16 supporters of his fantasy campaign across the entire nation.

I was at the straw poll long enough to vote but missed the speech. The Ron Paul win was great.

Steve, I like you, but you need to spend more time talking about Auburn football. Unlike your generation, we are a winning team TODAY! :)
Stephen Gordon wrote on 08/19/07 at 1:15 pm :

Shana, AussieLady and Little Jim: Thanks for showing and for all of the hard work.

Scott, video is up. It’s on the top entry on this site right now.
Stress » Ron Paul Revolution Straw Poll Landslides NH, AL; Respectable 3rd in Il wrote on 08/19/07 at 1:17 pm :

[…] old friend Steve Gordon tells the story of […]
Chuck George wrote on 08/19/07 at 1:47 pm :

Milnes -

It was quite apparent that Ron Paul SUPPORTERS organized, statewide, more-or-less separately, with just the impetus of notification from the event organizers. The other campaigns received the same notification.

It is also quite apparent that a lot of this was generated by the youth… VOTE ! They are excited, they are believers, they DO, they are generating name recognition for Dr Paul despite the studied MSM neglect. Incidentally, all ages were represented at the RP landslide, but the youth dominated. They understand freedom, constitutionality, peace, prosperity.

If the other campaigns choose to let it ride for now expecting their candidates’ name recognition, money and the MSM’s conspiracy to pull them through later, so be it.

Go, Ron —
for: freedom, constitutionality, peace and prosperity ! ! !

An Old Codger who was there

cod•ger: an often mildly eccentric and usu. elderly fellow
Anonymous wrote on 08/19/07 at 2:10 pm :

Young people want FREEDOM, not big government!

Here’s a very interesting article about Ron Paul:
http://spirituallibertarian.blogspot.com/
GordonUnleashed » Blog Archive » Alabama Ron Paul Sign Team YouTubed wrote on 08/19/07 at 3:16 pm :

[…] couldn’t assist with the sign blitz leading to the Alabama Ron Paul landslide, I accidentally failed to cover the signs that Straw Poll participants had to drive by en route to the Alabama GOP Straw Poll. […]
Daily Dixie: Ron Paul wins big in West Alabama wrote on 08/19/07 at 6:54 pm :

[…] any party. In the end, that will probably be Ron Paul’s legacy from this election. I think Stephen Gordon, who attended the event, put it best: This is about a movement. A movement of an eclectic bunch of people who are very serious about […]
Eric Dondero wrote on 08/20/07 at 6:06 am :

Latest Field Poll out of California 5 days ago for GOP primary voters:

Ron Paul at 1%.

Friday, a statewide poll was released for Nevada.

Ron Paul at 1%.

Ron Paul does a great job of getting fringe types to various events. But he fails to reach Mainstream America.
Aussielady wrote on 08/20/07 at 7:53 am :

Stephen, all the thanks goes out to Shana and others that worked so hard to make this happen! I was happy to be able to go (there again, thanks to Shana and those that donated tickets). I was not involved in all the preparations, but I hope that will change in the future! This weekend only made it more clear how important it is to get Ron elected. Thank you Shana and all of you for the hard work you did!!!!!!!!!!
Robert Milnes wrote on 08/20/07 at 8:28 am :

Eric, thank you for that reality check. But I don’t think Ron Paul reality is wanted here.
Robert Milnes wrote on 08/20/07 at 8:37 am :

Eric, according to Chuck(Old Codger above) RP supporters are doing most of this on their own. Ron Paul isn’t getting them to do anything.
aussielady wrote on 08/20/07 at 10:14 am :

Something I thought about this morning. I still have my ron paul stuff on my car. I was thinking about writing on the back of my car “if you support ron paul go to” and put the link to the forum for what group you are with i.e. the birmingham group, etc. or put the ronpaul2008.com site. This will be great exposure and keep ron in the publics awareness. I know when I see something painted on the back window of a car I usually read it. We KNOW the main stream media is not going to give him any exposure. Just a thought.
Ron Holland wrote on 08/20/07 at 12:14 pm :

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Please link to the petition and forward this message to your friends and help the general public wake up during the current financial panic conditions to the problems we face from the Federal Reserve and Ron Paul’s solution.
GordonUnleashed » Blog Archive » More Strippers for Ron Paul wrote on 08/20/07 at 11:46 pm :

[…] is perhaps more concerned with social and foreign policy. As long as they are both on the team I described a couple of days ago: I talked with as many Paul supporters as I could during the lunch break. […]
GordonUnleashed » Blog Archive » A "Welcome" Redirect for Dothan Eagle Readers wrote on 08/21/07 at 1:24 pm :

[…] If you are visiting this site because of the Dothan Eagle posting, the article you are looking for is here. […]
GordonUnleashed » Blog Archive » Media Update wrote on 08/21/07 at 1:53 pm :

[…] I’ll be on the Matt Murphy radio show at approximately 3:00PM CST to discuss the Alabama Ron Paul Straw Poll victory. […]
Tom Blanton wrote on 08/22/07 at 12:08 am :

Here is the reality of Ron Paul’s 1% showing in various polls. Consider that a small percentage of voters show up to vote at primaries. Divide that small percentage by the number of candidates. Assuming that all of Ron Paul’s motivated supporters show up to vote, he has a real chance of being competitive. He might even win a few states - especially ones that have open primaries.

Just hope it rains on primary day so that all of Romney’s and Giuliani’s half-hearted supporters stay at home.
Robert Milnes wrote on 08/22/07 at 5:44 am :

Tom, do you know about Sundwall’s suggestion? That is that the LP host corresponding straw polls to the rep (& dem) straw polls & primaries. Obviously with RP sponging 72% of the LP support it would be pointless, wouldn’t it? So it boils down more or less to RP’s 1% enthusiastic supporters v. the other 99% + the power of the gop establishment? Meanwhile the real LP candidates virtually languish & watch & wait. For the fake lib. candidate to deflate. Unless there is some sort of RP supporter Cialis pill. Even if RP were to go on to WIN the election, the dem & rep congress will not pass any of his legislation/appointments & override EVERY veto. What is needed is for the LP to grow a pair & issue a position statement.
Tom Blanton wrote on 08/22/07 at 10:17 am :

Robert, my support for Ron Paul is based on his ability to advance strong messages on noninterventionism, decentralization and monetary policy, and to disrupt the GOP. It is not based on any illusion that he will win the 2008 election or even the GOP nomination.

However, a relatively small number of people could give Dr. Paul a big showing in the primaries which could lead to a Paul speech at the GOP convention - further disrupting GOP politics.

If, for whatever reason, Paul’s name does not appear on the ballot on primary day, I would vote for Gravel, for similar reasons.

My support for Dr. Paul at this point has absolutely nothing to do with the LP or the GOP but rather his message. This message is gaining some traction across the spectrum and this is a wonderful thing regardless of the final outcome.

Had the LP taken a strong and adament antiwar stance before it became fashionable, perhaps many of Ron Paul’s supporters would be on board.
Robert Milnes wrote on 08/22/07 at 11:55 am :

Tom, If there was a lib. straw poll counter to the dem & reps, you could vote for a real libertarian & NOT vote for RP or Gravel. Agreed, libs were somewhat ambivalent about the war in 2003. The greens were not.

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