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Libertarian Wackos

April 22nd, 2008 by Steve

The headline may read “Candidate doesn’t mind being labeled ‘wacko’” — but I certainly resent being associated with those who think ‘wacko’ is a good thing. I’m certain to anger some of my fellow Libertarians with this view, but I’m beyond the point of caring. We’ve got one fruitloop running for office in Utah who says he’s “the Ron Paul of Utah congressional politics” while closing his campaign announcement by stating that the news media are “ignoring signs of extraterrestrial visits and the military’s blockade of information about outer space visitors.”

From the article:

“I don’t mind being seen as a wacko because to me, the world looks completely wacked,” said Buchman, the Libertarian nominee for the seat of Republican Rep. Rob Bishop. Buchman wore a black tie covered in planets and stars and galaxies to the news conference at the National Press Club in Washington.

There is also the website LibertariansForJustice.org, which states:

We’ve already had a farce of an official investigation, I doubt if another governmental investigation will be real until something changes. That something is an end-run around the official media. Until the mass media covers the dozens of panels, grand juries and other unofficial investigations that the 9/11 truth community has already had including their conclusions & all their evidence, nothing will change.

It gets even better:

I think a day will come, perhaps not too long from now when such a large segment of the population has tuned out of TV & mainstream radio & newspapers that the corporations will notice that they have lost a large segment of the consumer population’s business. They will have to advertise with the alternative news sources in order to get business. This will change everything. In the meantime, don’t sponsor the corporate machine. Turn off your TV & turn on the alternatives. Don’t buy from large corporations, sponsor small, locally owned businesses. Sponsor the companies that advertise in the alternative media. The whole nation has begun to buy organic food, this is a beginning. When the whole nation buys alternative media we will get a real 9/11 investigation & hopefully get our democratic republic back as well.

Of course, a creepy video they display overlaps their online poll, which is filled with very biased questions. They could have left another option, something along the lines of “Do you think 9/11 Truthers are nutso?” I’m sure this option would receive the greatest number of votes.

Fortunately, their website design skills are probably superior to their organizational skills.

I’ve put a lot of time, energy and money into helping the Libertarian Party to become a more mainstream, viable and legitimate political party. If you start seeing people like me leaving the LP, you’ll certainly know why.

Keep in mind that I was the one who had to deal with the national media in 2006 when our blue guy turned the Senate blue.

As a parting thought, maybe the nutballs are right. The melting point of steel is warmer than the temperature of Pluto and we have no known fuels which can melt steel girders. We don’t have the technology to force buildings to defy the laws of gravity. Perhaps it stands to reason that the Martians are truly to blame for 9/11. The theory make sense because of the timing of the secret government plot to declassify Pluto as an actual planet. If you don’t like my hypothesis, then disprove it.

Beam me up, Scotty!

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15 Responses to “Libertarian Wackos”

Anon E. Mouse wrote on 04/22/08 at 4:10 pm :

I’m somewhat hesitant to weigh in on this topic as a potential waste of my time because it’s all to easy for the intellectually lazy to just kind of lump the radical (such as myself) in with the irrational for the vaguely defined sin of being insufficiently plain-vanilla.

Nonetheless, I feel compelled to point something out…

Without commenting on the topic of extraterrestrials or 9/11 directly, I would like to point out that there are lunatics in the mainstream parties as well. What you do not have in the Libertarian Party are figures with sufficient public stature to SOCIALLY ECLIPSE the lunatics.

The thing about politics, though, is that a party with enough power to attract respectable mainstream opinion shapers and “natural leaders” that CAN eclipse the lunatics is ALSO sufficiently powerful to attract the scum-sucking bottom-feeders that infest both major parties and made people want a third party to begin with.

This represents a dilemna for you to solve. I’m not going to provide you with the solution because you’ll only value that solution if you go looking for it and find it yourself.
Rachel wrote on 04/22/08 at 4:15 pm :

Uh oh, Stephen. What does this mean? The asylum needs you! ;)
Sean Haugh wrote on 04/22/08 at 6:52 pm :

Howdy Steve! Yeah, it took me awhile to learn to love the Blue Guy too, but I’ve gotten pretty comfortable with it. And if the only negative press Joe Buchman gets is from you, I can deal with that. ;)

Your efforts are paying off, because for every candidate you might want to run and hide from there’s several others like Kent Marmon in Idaho who was featured on the lp.org blog today. I’m a little surprised this vitriol is coming from you, since you were the one who turned me on to Loretta Nall, someone else I’d love to get back on the ballot for us and watch her work her special brand of controversy again.

As I would say to any member of the media, it’s a good idea to talk to the guy and investigate the story before jumping to any immediate conclusions. Maybe I’m a wacko too, but I believe that government secrecy and black budgets are very legitimate issues that people do care about, especially in Utah, and that Joe is a good guy to carry these issues forward.

The first obstacle we have to face of course is being branded as wackos for having the temerity to ask such questions and want to be told the truth. I’m just a touch disappointed that you are the person in the media who feels the need to dismiss Joe as a nut without a second thought.

Joe happened to call while I was typing this and says I should give you his phone number if you want to interview him.
ElfNinosMom wrote on 04/25/08 at 8:01 pm :

I’m with Steve on this. There are way too many wackjobs in the LP; percentage-wise, there are far more than in the mainstream parties. The wackjobs get entirely too much attention, to the point that we all look like wackjobs for being in the same party with them.

While sometimes I admittedly find them extremely entertaining, at other times I find them extremely annoying.

Today I’m in the latter category, simply because I am still trying to digest Mary Ruwart saying that child pornography should not be illegal, and that’s it’s actually okay as long as the child consents. Ever since I read that, along with some of her other statements which made even less sense, I have felt like I’m living in BizarroWorld.

What I’d like to know is why the LP lacks internal controls, to stop wackjobs from running for office under the party banner in the first place. Steve, do you have any insight into that question?
JB wrote on 04/26/08 at 7:19 am :

There are all kinds of people associated with any major political party. It is much akin to having a wack-job in your family. It is inevitable, and also makes life interesting.

I would be very hesitant to paint all those libertarians who have views outside the mainstream as looney toons. I am sure that there are more than a few neocons and socialists who believe you are a wack-job.

For those “9-11 Truthers”, let them speak, they do have some legitimate questions which have not been fully addressed. If you buy one of their scenarios or not, who cares? Asking questions and demanding answers is never harmful. Do you have the same kind of vitriol for the JFK assassination fanatics?

JB @ cobbtown.com

PS - Bob Barr, huh? Well, he may be preferable to either of the Three Stooges left on the main stage, but he’s no Ron Paul, huh?
Jeff Wartman wrote on 04/26/08 at 4:59 pm :

This is something I believe most of us deal with on a consistent basis, and needs to be addressed.

We are not a party of wackos, we are a party that attracts wackos. We are a party of good, smart, hardworking individuals who primarily work in the mainstream of society. We are your friends, family and neighbors.

But there is no question that we attract wackjobs. We do so because our philosophy is the philosophy of freedom. Those on the fringes of society will be attracted to the Libertarian Party because we are the only political party which offers those on the fringes the ability to live their lives as they wish without interference.

There is something to be said about not letting the wackjobs represent the party. It works against electoral success to have people like on the ballot.
Jeff Wartman wrote on 04/26/08 at 5:00 pm :

Sorry, messed up the HTML. Should have read “people like this guy on the ballot” with the link inserted.
paulie wrote on 04/27/08 at 10:33 am :

Joe Buchman is far from being a whacko. You should get to know him.

Why laugh at subjects the “mainstream” is uncomfortable with? They laugh at our ideas, like ending the drug war, dismantling the military-industrial complex, and ending coercive taxation, too.

There’s a huge number of people out there interested in finding out what the regime may be covering up about 9/11, UFOs, etc. Most of them are not LP, but they already distrust the government in at least one area, which makes them a prime target market for recruiting.

And Jeff, Chief Wana Dubie had more electoral success than most LP candidates.

Hey, I feel embarassed by LPers sometimes too - mostly, the semi-reconstructed reich wing Republicons AKA Republitarians. Yes, I’m frequently embarassed to be in the same party with them, especially now that they are taking over.

I’m giving the LP one more try this year, to restore a more complete ideologically libertarian platform, and to run a true hardcore libertarian such as Kubby or Ruwart for president.

However, agorism, issue politics, and other non-partisan libertarian strategies are sounding better and better all the time, as are other possible projects, such as a libertarian caucus in the Green Party.
Dave Williams wrote on 04/28/08 at 5:39 am :

Hi to all,
S.G. just thought I’d drop in and thank you for your positive efforts to bring the LP to a more rational position, and for your recent stance against child pornography.

It is rather irritating when wacko’s like paulie continually change the subject from Ruwarts beliefs, which ENM pointed out, to falsehoods like this; “semi-reconstructed reich wing Republicons AKA Republitarians”. At least us former GOPers have denounced and do not support the neo-con agenda. Why has Mary not done the same, paulie?

Have a great week and keep up the good fight!
Joe Buchman wrote on 05/1/08 at 5:21 pm :

Steve,

Nice photo with the tin foil hat and good job further distorting and ridiculing my position.

Anyone who has never been misrepresented or ridiculed in the media probably can’t imagine the disconnect between the interviews I’ve given to the Salt Lake Tribune, KSL radio and others and what winds up reported. Wack-O headline included.

I understand you called Bill Redpath while I was visiting his home outside DC last week, and have had quite a bit of fun on the State Chair’s list regarding my campaign.

I just have to wonder why you’d not have the simple courtesy to talk to me, especially when I was so easily available, before further distorting and ridiculing my campaign? Perhaps like others in the media you are simply having too much fun.

To be clear:

1) I believe the Universe is teaming with life

2) The idea that we are either alone in the Universe or the most intelligent thing in it is absurd.

The keynote speaker at the exo-politics conference in DC was none other than Dr. Edgar Mitchell, (PhD MIT) the 6th man to walk on the moon.

I went to that conference to meet (and talk) with him; as well as Dr. John Alexander (of Los Alamos National Labs), Dr. Bruce Macabee (Naval Research labs), Dr. C.B Scott Jones (retired naval aviator) and others.

All of us, yes me included, are calling on our government to Disclose what it knows. That also includes John Podesta, Bill Clinton’s chief of staff.

By contrast, I see on the LNC’s convention schedule that Richard Hoagland is speaking on the future of NASA.

May I respectfully suggest that you review Mr Hoagland’s academic background and absurd claims regarding mile high glass structures on the moon, and photo evidence of cities on Mars — none of which any of the speakers in DC nor I find at all credible and compare it not only to my record but that of speakers I’ve mentioned above.

Maybe then you will reconsider on whose head you wish to put your tin foil hat.

It simply doesn’t fit on mine.

While I find your behavior here to be at least borderline slanderous, you’re still welcome to call, or email, or contact me in whatever way you choose (I’m afraid your tin foil hat antenna isn’t working on my end).

If not I look forward to meeting you in Denver, and if you’re willing to have a conversation, clearing any other concerns or misimpressions you or anyone else may have.

Till then, all the best,

Joe

Joseph G. Buchman, PhD
www.BuchmanForCongress.com
Third Party Watch » Blog Archive » Is there a new Libertarian Party branding operation underway? wrote on 05/2/08 at 4:05 pm :

[…] the record, Buchman called my recent criticism of him “borderline […]
paulie wally wrote on 05/2/08 at 4:05 pm :

It is rather irritating when wacko’s like paulie

Thanks, that means a lot coming from you, troll.

continually change the subject from Ruwarts beliefs,

Um…the subject was my friend Dr. Joe Buchman, who also happens to be one of LP Chair Bill Redpath’s good friends since the 1970s.

The subject was Dr. Ruwart’s beliefs? I missed that, sorry.

to falsehoods like this; “semi-reconstructed reich wing Republicons AKA Republitarians”. At least us former GOPers have denounced and do not support the neo-con agenda.

Debatable. Another time, Dave.

Why has Mary not done the same, paulie?

She hasn’t denounced the neo-con agenda? I’d be surprised, but if that’s the case, she should get on top of that.

You should ask her, though. I am not involved in her campaign. I offered tactical help but they have not really responded. Maybe because I’m working on Kubby’s campaign? Dunno.

Have a great week and keep up the good fight!

Thanks, I will!
The Wine Commonsewer wrote on 05/3/08 at 8:51 pm :

Don’t care what Google says, that’s not a REAL tinfoil hat. Real tinfoil hats look more like a shiny graduation-style mortar board.
Craig wrote on 05/10/08 at 11:17 pm :

But what if the media really are ignoring signs of extraterrestrial visits and the military’s blockade of information about them?
Fred wrote on 05/11/08 at 7:21 pm :

I never took issue with the blue guy, the alien guys, or the guys that think 9/11 was all a hologram. What does get my panties in a wad are the wackos that insist they have an intellectual monopoly on libertarianism and that anyone that deviates from it is a plant, shill, ignoramus or phony.

I have no choice but to agree entirely with the statement “If you start seeing people like me leaving the LP, you’ll certainly know why.” I had a damn good time as a principled independent and tactical registrant, and if it becomes a their-libertarianism-or-mine situation, I’ll have to conclude I had the right idea all along.

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